jjpor: (Master 2)
jjpor ([personal profile] jjpor) wrote2009-11-01 04:05 pm
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Sunday Memeage

Oh, because I don't already spend enough time on lj talking about how clever I think I am:

Meme robbed from [info]lindenharp:

Pick a paragraph (or any passage less than 500 words) from any fanfic I've written, and comment to this post with that selection. I will then give you a DVD commentary on that snippet: what I was thinking when I wrote it, why I wrote it in the first place, what's going on in the character's heads, why I chose certain words, what this moment means in the context of the rest of the fic, lots of awful puns, and anything else that you'd expect to find on a DVD commentary track.

My 'Spoon page:

www.whofic.com/viewuser.php

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2009-11-04 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I daresay they mixed it up a bit, but without getting into the kind of detail I was shying away from when I was writing that, it's a bit hard to tell, isn't it? ;D

At least two... It brings us back to that hardy perennial Time Lord sexuality, doesn't it? I lean increasingly toward the view that Looms are real (although they maybe make Time Tots rather than fully-formed adults as the novels seemed to suggest), and that Time Lords, ie fully-paid-up and fully-educated residents of the Citadel are supposed to be above sticky physicality. But as you point out, nature is nature, and the Time Lords are nothing if not hypocritical, so we have Academy students and the like sneaking off and doing untoward things with the Shobogans. Some of them like it so much they end up going on permanent walkabout in Outer Gallifrey.

So yes, Time Lord sexual mores = Victorian hypocrisy tuned up to the max. That's how I've come to see it.
ext_23531: (four/romana ii)

[identity profile] akashasheiress.livejournal.com 2009-11-04 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially seeing as my brain canon is that they spent at least a century together. The same old thing would become boring (especially to Romana). Really though, I thought that scene was just lovely, especially Four's tenderness for Romana. They totally had days where they went to uninhabitet planets and did nothing else.

I totally agree with Time Lords = victorians in that sense (if your ever write the Four-Romana-Wilde fic, you should totally have them talk about that), including the various ''free spirits'' i.e. Byron, Shelley, Wilde etc. In fact, I like thinking that the Doctor and Romana gained that sort of notoriety (although a lot of it would be gossip). As for Looms, they're fun to have around, but I vary in what type of role I give them. My favourite is that they're tools used to correct genetic ''imperfections'' or maybe to add the stuff that makes a Time Lord a Time Lord. However, I enjoy thinking that sex and messy biology plays a greater role than they like to think about. Just like with the Victorians.;)

Also, you do realise you might have to write a K9 Listens In drabble now, don't you?

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2009-11-07 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Hehe - I'm sure that they did! I like to think so anyway. I'm glad that you liked it, anyway.

It's hard to say how long they were together, isn't it? They were on holiday, and it's easy to lose track of time when you're having fun (and even easier when you live in the TARDIS, I imagine!)

Oh, I'm sure there were the Gallifreyan equivalents of bohemians, aesthetes, etc. In fact, I suspect that is probably how the Master got started - he lives only to indulge his own desires, doesn't he, in disregard for other people's rules? Unfortunately, he is also a sociopath.

And I'm also sure there are quarters on Gallifrey where the Doctor was a hero and an example. As you say, there was more of that sort of thing going on in Victorian society than they liked to think. On the slopes below the Citadel, in the Shobogan villages, there are bars and brothels where quite eminent Time Lords go "in disguise", just as the great and good of Victorian society used to sneak down to the East End of London etc. after dark, while Academy students do all of the things that students usually do, if more discreetly than is usual in freer societies.

[John Leeson voice]"Sexual activity! The intermingling of genetic material by two individuals to ensure greater biological diversity in the next generation!"[/John Leeson voice]
ext_23531: (four/romana ii)

[identity profile] akashasheiress.livejournal.com 2009-11-09 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Hehe - I'm sure that they did! I like to think so anyway. I'm glad that you liked it, anyway.


I like to think that since Time Lords have two hearts and stuff like that, they also have at least somewhat greater stamina than humans, which means that they could... go on for longer. Which is why Time Lord/human relationships just can't work in the long run.;) And I liked it a lot. I totally get what you're saying about being a memory of feeling safe and loved and things (I add ''and things'' because I put up a flippant front like that when discussing emotional stuff). I wonder what the TARDIS thinks...

It's hard to say how long they were together, isn't it? They were on holiday, and it's easy to lose track of time when you're having fun (and even easier when you live in the TARDIS, I imagine!)

My brain canon says at least a century. Maybe two.

And I'm also sure there are quarters on Gallifrey where the Doctor was a hero and an example. As you say, there was more of that sort of thing going on in Victorian society than they liked to think. On the slopes below the Citadel, in the Shobogan villages, there are bars and brothels where quite eminent Time Lords go "in disguise", just as the great and good of Victorian society used to sneak down to the East End of London etc. after dark, while Academy students do all of the things that students usually do, if more discreetly than is usual in freer societies.

I'm sure there were ''freethinkers'' withing the citadel as well who wished to reform society from within. Hey, this world-building thing is fun.







[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2009-11-09 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
It is, isn't it? I'm sure there were, and I like to think that they came out of the woodwork during Romana's presidency, because, well, social strictures tend to break down during wartime. I'm sure it was very interesting while it lasted, and would have led to great things had Gallifrey ended up winning the War (or not! - you know Time Lords...), but as it happened they didn't. Nobody won that one.

I too wonder what the TARDIS thought. TARDIS-fic seems like an interesting sideline that I haven't really got into very much, but it'd be nice to do someting TARDIS-POV, I think.

And I am very glad you liked this one. Yeah, humans/Time Lords, it just doesn't work out in the long run. Not in that way, anyway. ;D
ext_23531: (four/romana - reading)

[identity profile] akashasheiress.livejournal.com 2009-11-09 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I too wonder what the TARDIS thought. TARDIS-fic seems like an interesting sideline that I haven't really got into very much, but it'd be nice to do someting TARDIS-POV, I think.

In my fanon, the TARDIS doesn't notice other species the same way it notices Time Lords. She cares about what the Doctor thinks, so she'll protect the people he loves, but she ''connects'' with Time Lords on a different level because that's what she was made for*. When Romana arrived, there hadn't been another Time Lord in her life but the Doctor (after Susan, about whom she cared very deeply), so it was a bit like ''But I thought it was just you and me!'' She got used to it, though.

And I am very glad you liked this one. Yeah, humans/Time Lords, it just doesn't work out in the long run. Not in that way, anyway. ;D

RTD and Moffat need to subsribe to this newsletter.;)

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2009-11-09 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
The story of how Romana won over the TARDIS and was accepted by her would be an interesting one, I think. The bond between a TARDIS and its crew/pilot is especially close, I think; moreso when it is just one pilot as in the Doctor's case. I wonder what K9 and the TARDIS made of each other, one artificial mind to another? I think the TARDIS might have been fond of some of the human companions the way you might be fond of a pet; or equally might hardly have noticed them at all. I'm sure her viewpoint is extremely alien (and probably difficult to write!).
ext_23531: (four/romana i)

[identity profile] akashasheiress.livejournal.com 2009-11-10 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
That would be totes awesome! *adds to your burden of labour*

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2009-11-10 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I'll just stick it on the list. Should be done in, let me see, 2015 or thereabouts... ;D
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[identity profile] akashasheiress.livejournal.com 2009-11-10 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
We're all going to die in 2012, so you'd better squeeze it in before then.

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2009-11-11 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
I forgot about that...more pressure... ;D