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jjpor ([personal profile] jjpor) wrote2010-03-29 12:12 am
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Meme!

Because I haven't done a lj meme for a while. I got this one from [livejournal.com profile] akashasheiress .

Give me a character from any fandom, tv show, movie, book you know that I know and I will tell you:

a. My favorite thing about that character.
b. My least favorite thing about that character.
c. One person I would ship them with in their own verse.
d. One crossover ship for them I think would be neat.
e. One crossover universe for them I think would be even neater.
f. Their ship from hell.
g. Their song.
h. The title of their biography or autobiography.
i. The last bad dream they had.
j. How they're gonna shuffle off the mortal coil, if they haven't already.

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm, yes...Singing Sontarans - well reminded! ;D Okay, so currently the list goes - Black Bore (priority!)...Sontarans Up the Jungle!...Seven/Beatrix Potter...at least six or seven additional retro-TWood stories I will almost certainly never do now...and the what-the-hell-was-going-on-in-EoT fic I started when I was a bit, well, drunk on New Year's Day and never finished... ;D

Well, somewhat predictably, I was thinking in terms of a trilogy... (Tentative titles: Midwinter, Equinox and Midsummer...although on second thoughts those sound a bit too much like those bloody Twilight novels...). Well, the current story is more or less self-contained, I think, but the historical events it sets in train have to play out somehow, and at least one of the current viewpoint characters is going to live long enough to see at least some of them come to pass... I'm sort of coming to the conclusion that you suggest above, that instead of trying to second-guess "the market", I should just write the thing and then let it live or die on its own merits...in the current form I'm envisaging, it doesn't seem too "fandom friendly" - the current crop of fantasy series seem to have whole casts of suitably likeable/hateable goodies and baddies who seem just designed for people to dress up at at conventions, whereas I've got precisely two "main characters", one of whom is a religious prophet who may or may not be just imagining all of the portents and omens they claim to see, and the other is a slightly clueless knight who ends up involved in high treason without really realising it...
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2010-04-17 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
Don't worry; you're titles don't sound Twilight-ish in the extreme. Besides they seem to have sold rather well. Are you dead set against become a world bestseller or something? (There's not all that much blood in them, I'm afraid. And, btw, unless you've read them, no automatic sneering at ahytthing please, because if there's one thing that makes me glare, it's that sort of automatic assumption about stuff. Yes, they are, um, well... special, I agree. If you've read them, I forgive you, otherwise, please be warned. I will glare. You can't see it, but it's scary. Honest. :lol:)

Well, your dscription of yours makes me want to read it, and I really haven't felt moved to want to read fantasy for ages. I made a deliberate decision to only read children's fantasy, because adult was so trammelled by cliches, and children's wasn't. Of course, that came with the job description at the time, too.

You know you're going to write what you want to write anyway; you keep saying as much! The 'market' as you're looking at it is last year's trends, if not two-three years' trends ago. The publishers will be looking for the next thing by now. And in fantasy that yours fits naturally into a trilogy in your head is only a bonus.

Hmm... Maybe you should save the retro TW for when you run off with the ieda and turn it into original fic? :lol: Sontarans up the jungle you can't, so you had better finish it. I think [livejournal.com profile] akashasheiress would say so!

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2010-04-18 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't read them, I'll admit, but I have had them described to me in detail by someone who has read them (and really liked them!), but despite their enthusiasm, I just got a bit of a sinking feeling as I listened... You're still glaring at me, aren't you?

Yeah, as you've said to me before, the idea is to be the next big thing, not copy the last big thing, because by the time it gets published (if ever!), things will have moved on anyway, so...yeah, I'll just go with the crazy pictures inside my head I guess, the way I usually do. ;D

Yes I better had finish that, actually...there were some good things I'd thought of for the later parts...and a bit of Four and Romana will no doubt cheer me up if I end up beating my head in frustration against the Black Bore.

No torture, really, but a bit of human sacrifice, both hinted-at and shown (and one of our viewpoint characters is one of the ones doing the sacrificing, so...yeah...)
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2010-04-19 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I can't keep the glaring up for very long. :lol: You have aperfect right to slag anything off you want on your own LJ. But if you haven't read/watched it yourself, I will glare. Just so's you know. :-p (Btw, if you have a chance, you should, because they're kind of, erm, well, indescribably awful? The sort of book that's so bad you have to read the next one to see if it was actually as bad as you thought... And it is... :lol: But I'm careful not to say that aloud too much, because it's never nice to tread on the dreams of 13 yr olds. You take things hard at that age.)

Well, there's nothing wrong to starting off a novel with a canny eye to the market, but, yes, I'd suggest looking for the things that are just showing signs of growth, and anything nobody seems to be doing. I'd have confidence in your ability to do that. And that's not an insult, either, which I realise it could sound like!

:-D No matter what it ends up being called, I'll probably always think of it as The Black Bore. And snigger to myself, cos you know how childish I am about bores. ;-D

Oh, only human sacrifice? Well, THAT's okay then. :loL:

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2010-04-20 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
See, now you're making me want to read them... And as I say, I know someone who has copies... Hmmm...

But yeah, I'm sure some of the things I used to love when I was thirteen fall into the category of "indescribably awful", so I probably should be more tolerant (this is the main Lesson What I Have Learned This Week... ;D)

Yeah, well human sacrifice as part of their indigenous belief system - who are we to judge? ;D I've been reading up on pagan religious practices (including some hippy trippy neo-pagan stuff about horned gods and lunar goddesses etc which is utter tosh from a historical/anthropological viewpoint (there WAS NO "witch-cult", people - that's by way of being the moral of the whole sorry story, if history ever has morals!), but there's material there to be used, I think, provided you don't go unwittingly trashing anybody's RL belief systems). And I was reminded about that Arab slave-trader's description of the Viking-age pagan shrine at (I think!) Uppsaala in Sweden...and the very specially-decorated sacred tree they allegedly had there...which is an absolutely horrific sort of mental image I _have_ to get into the story somehow! Er, because, you know...well, just because...
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2010-04-21 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I'm sure this demonstrates my narrow-mindedness, but I'm just kind of intolerant of human sacrifice as a part of someone else's belief system. :lol:

And if my careless words leads you to Twilight, then I can only apologise. With the rider that you would be able to slag them off freely, and I wouldn't glare. (Of course, if you actually really liked them, I wough laugh a lot. A lot. But nicely. After all, I haven't read the last two, so what can I say?)

Although apparently, there have been attempts at Twilight/DW crossovers where Bella is the daughter of Ten and Rose. You can't help but feel that this would explain a lot. (I've made myself laugh again remembering it.)

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2010-04-21 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
That's probably like cultural chauvinism or something. XD Well, no, acually, some of the other characters share your sentiments on this issue! It's one of several reasons why this particular culture is regarded as the in-universe equivalent of Mordor or something (although the truth is a bit more complex and shades-of-greyey, or at least I hope that's how the story turns out...)

That is kind of the danger, isn't it? To be honest, I read quite a bit of vampire fic in my misspent youth, but I don't know how much of it I actually _liked_ with hindsight. I think I have the same attitude to vampirism you do to human sacrifice! ;D

Apart from the Anno Dracula series by Kim Newman which are extremely enjoyable (to me!) and a little bit mad, taking place as they do in an alternate-history version of Victorian Britain (and carry on well into the 20th Century) where the novel Dracula ended differently and the Count (who is portrayed very much as the undead version of his historical namesake Vlad the Impaler) married Queen Victoria and became Prince Consort...and then it just gets madder from there...

(plus just about all of the supporting characters are cameos from other works of fiction, so if you don't like the admittedly quite bloody storyline, which involves Jack the Ripper and lots of other such shenanigans, you can at least play spot the sometimes-obscure reference...)
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2010-04-22 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Hah. I know Kim Newman! It's one of the things I've learnt randomly through my LJ flist - that was the really odd guy who'd published some book was who presented us with our GCSE certs because he was the only half-way famous person my school had managed. :lol: I expect he hadn't written that then (1993), because I think he'd had about 1 short story published. We were all sooo unimpressed...

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2010-04-25 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Mr Newman does indeed come across as a bit of a strange character - I've seen him on TV, as a talking head on BBC4-type-programmes (you know what I mean!) about cult TV and/or SF literature, and he does present the image of a great British eccentric, I'll agree. Nevertheless, he has written a lot of very cool stuff, both under his own name and under his pseudonym "Jack Yeovil". He wrote some tie-in novels for the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay RPG which, believe it or not, really transcend the boundaries of RPG tie-in fiction (no, really! I'm not kidding - they're really good!). ;D I'm kind of overwhelmed that you've met him, because I've for years thought of him as a pretty cool dude (you know what they say about never meeting your heroes)!

I'll see your Kim Newman and raise you a Cherie Blair! Yes, the former Mrs-PM is indeed the most famous living pupil of my former alma mater (from the days when it was a posh convent school back in the 60s, before it became a slightly disreputable comprehensive - her father was an actor in Til Death Us Do Part, so presumably could afford it!). I've shaken her hand and had a certificate off her! ;D It was her or our second-most-famous living pupil, Anne Robinson... O.o
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2010-04-25 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
It was 1993, though.
He had't written much.
Anne Robinson? 8-o
(We've killed the thread again!)

[identity profile] jjpor.livejournal.com 2010-04-25 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes...Anne @#?!ing Robinson, who will be forever dead to me for a) what she said in the Daily Mirror about Hillsborough and b) her suggestion that the part of Liverpool I grew up in used to be a nice area before people like my parents moved in there from less-posh adjoining areas in the 70s. So, really, Cherie was much the better choice. :D