jjpor: (Five Rounds Rapid)
A new year – new borderline-worrying UNIT dating spam! :D

As you will recall, in previous posts trying to make sense of the fearsomely complex UNIT Dating Conundrum it was established that:

Remembrance of the Daleks and An Unearthly Child definitely both took place in the fourth quarter of 1963.

July the 20th, 1966 was a really busy day for the Doctor and also establishes that the Whoniverse, for want of a better term, is much more scientifically and technologically advanced than “our” world was in the same time period. UNIT stories therefore don’t have to take place in the near future just because they contain then-futuristic elements. The Faceless Ones is also, bizarrely, technically a pseudo-historical.

Also, The Web of Fear most likely took place around the time of its actual production and broadcast at the end of 1967/beginning of 1968.

The Invasion took place roughly four years later, probably in the autumn of 1971 to give us enough time to fit everything else in before the Brigadier’s established retirement date in 1976. This and many of the following UNIT stories therefore do actually take place in the near future from the point of view of the time they were produced, just not as far forward as the production team probably intended (when they remembered). The technological edge isn’t the only difference between the Whoniverse and our own; by the time this version of 1971 rolls around the world political situation also seems very different from “our” history.

And now we push on, with Spearhead from Space, the dreaded Season 6b and good stuff like that!

Be afraid... Be very afraid... )


tl;dr: Spearhead from Space takes place “months” after an unseen missing UNIT story which takes place shortly after the late-1971-dated The Invasion. And Season 6b is real! And more on UNIT dating next time, where I will actually start specifying years, months etc. Don’t miss it!
jjpor: (Five Rounds Rapid)
Oh, you thought I’d maybe stopped with the pointless UNIT dating posts? You don’t have luck like that.

Previous parts can be found HERE and HERE. To cut a long story short – we (that is, I) had chiefly come to the conclusions that 1. The War Machines takes place in 1966, as helpfully exposited in the serial The Faceless Ones, that 2. the Whoniverse’s 1966 was somewhat more scientifically and technologically advanced than “our” 1966, possibly due to the machinations of a certain Institute, and that 3. the preponderance of evidence would tend to suggest that The Web of Fear takes place in either late 1967 or early 1968, around about the time of its real life recording and broadcast.

Thanks, too, to [profile] john_elliott, who in the comments to the previous post pointed out that the map of the London Underground that can be glimpsed in Web doesn't show the Victoria Line, which historically opened in March 1969 – yet further corroboration for the above dating!

So, having established that, let’s consider the first proper UNIT story… )

tl:dr – I’m saying The Invasion takes place in the fourth quarter of 1971, or thereabouts.

Well, I didn’t get as far as Spearhead and a consideration of UNIT’s role in Season 6b (which totally happened!), but that’s enough of that for now. I’ve sort of told myself I can’t waste time posting about this stuff without completing a chapter of my Brig fic first, so I guess I’d better go and get cracking on that before we continue with these fascinating musings…
jjpor: (Five Rounds Rapid)
So, more supremely fanw*nky thoughts on UNIT dating, pulled together in the course of writing this Brig fic I’ve got on the go.

As at least one commenter on the previous post, and various people over the years, including the likes of Ben Aaronovitch, have astutely observed, if they hadn’t stuffed it up royally in explicitly setting Mawdryn Undead in 1977/1983 and stating that the Brigadier left UNIT in 1976, then there wouldn’t be a UNIT dating controversy at all. We could just take the comments in The Web of Fear at face value and assume that the main UNIT stories all took place in the then-futuristic mid-late 1970s, running into the even more then-futuristic early 80s, when the cars, clothes, money, hairstyles and social attitudes just happened to resemble those of a decade or so earlier.

On that basis, we could simply say, as the new series has at numerous points, that “time can be rewritten” and that Mawdryn Undead all took place in some weird parallel reality, possibly deliberately created by the Black Guardian to trap the Doctor. Except that on the one hand that seems like a slippery sort of solution to the issue, and on the other you’d expect the Doctor himself to notice and comment on something like that if that was indeed what was going on.

Also, where’s the fun in it? ;)

It gets worse! )

tl:dr: On the basis of all of the above evidence, and in the spirit of “the death of the author” and all that jazz, I propose that while it’s impossible to say for certain, the preponderance of information we do have suggests that The Web of Fear takes place in either late 1967 or early 1968 at around the time of its real life production and broadcast.

And I went on rather longer than I intended to there. Next time (I know you can’t wait! ;D) we’ll consider The Invasion and Spearhead from Space and wade right into the stinking morass that is actual UNIT dating…

Dun dun dun!
jjpor: (One)
Like, wouldn't it be nice if the Brigadier had taken Liz out to a nice restaurant for a meal and a few drinks? And then they could have gone back to his post-divorce bachelor pad to look at his etchings, because the Brig seems like the sort to have etchings.

Oh right, the other sort of UNIT dating?

So I've got my fic mojo back a little bit these past couple of weeks. Basically, re-watching The Web of Fear and The Invasion while in the right frame of mind has made me commit a bit of Brig fic (more to come soon). And doing that sort of leads me to consider the old UNIT dating conundrum. I know, I know, it's effectively insoluble (1980, Sarah Jane, really?!)and better Who minds than mine have been defeated utterly by it, but I was just musing about it and musing led to looking things up and, well, it kind of veered off UNIT dating into thinking about 1960s Doctor Who stories generally. So, yeah.

Warning for extreme fanw*nkiness below! ;)

No, really, I'm not kidding! )
jjpor: (Who@50)
I think it's pretty much a truism of Doctor Who fandom that everybody's - everybody's - favourite story is some other fan's most hated. And the reverse, of course.

For me, this bit of news is yet more proof that that truism is, er, true. Once again I am given cause to reflect what a long shadow, for better or worse, the Ten/RTD era still casts over the series, even when we're literally only a couple of months away from moving on to Twelve. Best moment in science fiction, horror and fantasy? Best moment in Doctor Who? Best moment in the post-2005 series, even? Not even close, for me. Not even in my top twenty, if I had to compile one. Could possibly be in my bottom twenty, but I suspect there would be quite a lot of Series 2 moments in there, tbh.

When, oh when, will people stop disagreeing with me on t'internets???!! ;D
jjpor: (Who@50)
Title: The Dome on the Moon, Episode 3
Rating: Teen (Gen)
Word count: c. 6,500
Warnings: Some violence
Year: 1968
Summary: Recently rediscovered in a forgotten TV archive in the former People’s Democratic Republic of Ruritania, the only remaining full episode of a missing classic from 1968!
Characters: The Second Doctor, Jamie, Zoe, the Cybermen
Disclaimer: Doctor Who and its many associated characters and copyrights, of course, do not belong to me!

Written for the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Ficathon, horribly over-deadline but finished at long last. Also my (equally overdue) entry for the Two leg of the [community profile] who_at_50 50th anniversary fanwork-a-thon-a-thon. The prompt year was 1968. I actually started writing this before the rediscovery of Enemy of the World and Web of Fear was announced, so at the time the idea of writing a single episode of an otherwise lost story seemed like a cute sort of conceit; now, I wonder whether the other episodes are out there somewhere...
jjpor: (Seven'n'Ace)
So, er, like, y'know, I went and did a meme, like.

Yoinked from [personal profile] eve11 here.

The internet is an amazing place that has allowed us to communicate and share with each other, but there is just something about listening to someone else's voice and getting to know them through the things that make them unique. Cadence, accent, the amount of times someone says "UM" -- all of those things are a delightful way to appreciate the friends you already have and the friends you are hoping to make.

The instructions are super easy: record yourself answering the questions below the jump and then post it in the comments!


The Meme! )

And as I say, I quite enjoyed doing that. I hope you enjoyed it too. It was quite recreational. If any of you have any suggestions about other things I could ramble about and post here, then please let me know. :)


EDIT: I've had a bit of feedback from a couple of listeners who have said that the sound on the linked recordings is very low for them, so be warned you may need to crank your volume up a bit. :)


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I hope you're all having an excellent one, wherever you are and whatever you are doing.

I have basically opted out of normal life for the day. I started off by listening to the thing on Radio 4 Extra this morning, which was basically a compilation of shorter documentary bits about Who from over the past few years. The highlight was Mark Gatiss waxing enthusiastic about the oldschool Target books - had to laugh at the bit about the stock descriptions they used for each Doctor, because it was so true.

Then I re-watched the Culture Show special "Me, You and Doctor Who" that was on BBC Two last night, on the old iPlayer. I can't recommend it highly enough - highlight was possibly Ken Livingstone, of all people, discussing how the stories of the Pertwee era reflected the political landscape of early-70s Britain.

I did actually take a Who break to watch the football, which probably makes me disloyal or something, but then the postman brought my DVD of "The Enemy of the World", which I plan to watch again tomorrow. And then I started watching The Five Doctors, which is still on as I type.

And then I realised it's only just over two hours until the special and started getting the jitters...
jjpor: (Fezzes are cool!)
I can't shake the image of that bit at the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, with that knight and Count Scarlioni and so on:

"He chose...poorly."
jjpor: (Fezzes are cool!)
The next part of my entry in the [community profile] who_at_50 fanwork-a-thon-a-thon, fulfilling this month's secondary theme "Multi-Doctors":

Title: The Eleven Doctors
Summary: Eleven Doctors. One Game. A Multitude of dangers.
Part Two: Eleven
In which our adventurers in space and time begin their Unearthly quest.
Author: [personal profile] jjpor
Rating: Teen
Word Count: approx. 8496 (so far)
Characters/Pairings: All eleven Doctors (at least); Barbara Wright, Ian Chesterton, Susan, other companions, enemies etc. to be revealed.
Notes/Warnings: Doctor Who and all of its associated characters, concepts and copyrights very much do not belong to me!

Previous Parts


jjpor: (Who@50)
Well, it had to be done. Consider this my entry in the [community profile] who_at_50 fanwork-a-thon-a-thon, fulfilling this month's secondary theme "Multi-Doctors". I think it's going to be in thirteen chapters, but don't quote me on that as it's still a work in progress. It's also almost certain to be mercilessly Jossed by The Day of the Doctor, so hopefully people will still want to read the ending if it hasn't been posted by then...

Title: The Eleven Doctors
Summary: Eleven Doctors. One Game. A Multitude of dangers.
Part One: Commencing Countdown
In which once again we play the Game of Rassilon…
Author: [personal profile] jjpor
Rating: Teen
Word Count: approx. 1900 (so far)
Characters/Pairings: All eleven Doctors (at least); companions, enemies etc. to be revealed.
Notes/Warnings: Doctor Who and all of its associated characters, concepts and copyrights very much do not belong to me!



jjpor: (Two and the gang)
I feel like a bit of a sellout for throwing my hard-earned so pathetically at The Man so easily (it's the first time I've bought anything off iTunes in many, many moons)...but...but...!

Yeah, I've just finished mainlining both "The Enemy of the World" and "The Web of Fear" in one long, ridiculous eleven-episodes-plus-one-25-minute-recon marathon and all I can say is...yeah, man. You know, I've watched recons and read the Target novelisations of both of these stories, but it was still like watching them both for the first time (well you know, because, well it was). Amazing stuff. I'm moved, in a silly fanboyish "gah, something in my eye!" sort of way. Moved!

Some Talking Points )

And at the end of "The Web of Fear" it says "Next Week Fury from the Deep". If only, eh? ;)
jjpor: (Who@50)
For those of you who haven't seen it already, please go and check out [personal profile] dbskyler's Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Ficathon, either via that link just there or via this most excellent graphic:

Click on the image


Read the Welcome post to get an idea of what it's all about and then maybe leave a prompt and serious consider signing up to write something.

Those of you who plan to take part in the closing rounds of the [community profile] who_at_50 anniversary fanwork-a-thon-a-thon, meanwhile (signups for most recent round Three/Who Spinoffs still just about open - check it out!) will be pleased to know that [personal profile] dbskyler is more than happy for people to submit fic written for other 'thons and challenges - see the rules on the dw_50ficathon comm for details. For my part, I will take fanworks from absolutely anywhere, no questions asked, so if you wanted to kill two birds with one stone, the possibility is wide open. :)
jjpor: (Who@50)
50th Anniversary Fanwork-a-thon-a-thon, Round Nine: Three

(Secondary prompt: Who Spinoffs)


The Four-centred eighth round is on-going, but already signups have begun for the next in [community profile] who_at_50's series of monthly fanwork-a-thons counting down to the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who. I hope this month's themes will pique your creative interests. The dashing, be-frilled, hard-driving and hard-karate-ing Three is this month's Doctor, as well as everything his presence implies; Jo, Liz, Sarah Jane, the UNIT gang and the Master. And, to keep things that bit more interesting, our secondary theme centres upon Doctor Who's various fully-fledged spinoff series. While that includes the obvious suspects in the form of Torchwood and the Sarah Jane Adventures, it could also take in curiosities like "K9 and Company" or the proposed Rose Tyler spinoff that never was, or indeed the various spinoff series we've seen in other media such at the audios. If you like Doctor Who fanwork even a little bit, I urge you once again to take the time to look at the signup posts on the comm and, if you so desire, express your interest in taking part:

The Livejournal Version

The Dreamwidth Version

Remember - all fanworks of whatever form are more than welcome!
jjpor: (Who@50)
Just a reminder that it's still not (quite) too late to express your interest in taking part in the next round of the [community profile] who_at_50 Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Fanwork-a-thon-a-thon:

Round Seven: Five

(Secondary prompt: "Minor" Characters)


If you have an interest in Doctor Who fanwork of whatever form, take the time to look at the signup posts on the comm...and if it takes your fancy be sure to announce your intention to take part!

The Livejournal Version

The Dreamwidth Version

Remember - all fanworks of whatever form are more than welcome!
jjpor: (Fezzes are cool!)
Again, MASSIVE SPOILERS if you've somehow managed to remain completely incommunicado since last night (although if you're reading this and you're in the UK, you probably saw the news already practically as soon as you launched your web browser):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22745398

Fancy a bet on any of those? Me neither.

And here's more or less exactly the same story from the last time this happened:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7699513.stm
jjpor: (Fezzes are cool!)
Well, everybody else on the flist seems either to have linked to it or aired their two penn'orth on it, and I am nothing if not easily led. Look, you probably know what it is by now, anyway, but in the interests of not getting shouted at on the internets I've put spoiler warnings all over it anyway, just in case.

Linking to the post I made about it on Who@50, not really to plug my comm, but just because typing it twice or copy and pasting it here seemed a bit of a waste of effort. ;)

IT'S HERE (WARNING FOR POSSIBLE EXTREME SPOILERS)

FYI

May. 4th, 2013 03:51 pm
jjpor: (Who@50)
Okay, I have just had the nod from LJ that who_at_50 is now back up and running. I can see it again...but at the moment only when I'm logged into LJ. When I try and click on the link when I'm not logged in, it takes me to the "Suspended" message rather than to the normal "Warning - adult concepts" page that gives you an option either to continue or to log in. Can anybody reading this do me a favour and try to follow the below link to see whether they can see the comm? It would be especially useful if somebody who isn't a member of the comm could give it a go to see what happens.

http://who-at-50.livejournal.com/

And thank you very much all of you who showed support/concern over this whole contretemps. Much appreciated, I assure you. :)

ETA: The logged out/logged in issue now also appears to have resolved itself. I can now see the comm regardless of whether I'm logged into LJ or not. Thanks very much again to all of you who checked the link and let me know they could see the comm. :)
jjpor: (Who@50)
Just a reminder, it's still (just about!) not too late to express your interest in taking part in the upcoming next round of the [community profile] who_at_50 Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Fanwork-a-thon-a-thon:

Round Five: Seven

(Secondary prompt: The "Expanded Universe")


If you have an interest in Doctor Who fanwork of whatever form, take the time to look at the signup posts on the comm...and if it takes your fancy be sure to announce your intention to take part!

The Livejournal Version

The Dreamwidth Version

Remember - all fanworks of whatever form are more than welcome!

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